Curse

Sankon · Apr 21, 2006, 04:22 PM // 16:22

Hello people, I just made a N/Mo MinionMaster the other day and I am having a few problems.. The biggest one is keeping myself alive heh.. With all of the health sacrificing skills I run out of health really quickly, granted, I am still very low lvl and I know I will get better at a higher lvl.

Here is my build so far:

Animate Bone Fiend
Blood of the Master
Insidious Parasite
Verata's Sacrifice
Death Nova
Mark of Pain

For a weapon right now I am using Villnar's Staff, I would prefer to be using Bartok's but farming trolls with my monk (too poor for 55hp) isn't very profitable.

Anyway back to skills, I'm thinking I need a skill to help my health, maybe Demonic Flesh, or possibly Blood Renewal? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, for Elite skills I was thinking Spiteful Spirit when I can get over there. Feel free to suggest others for the future as I cant really cap any where I currently am.

Again thanks for any help you guys can give me!

eSe · Apr 21, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

1st of all trying 2 get ss for an elite will make ss weak because its curses get mm at 16 att and sr at 10 and the rest in healing for heal area if u want to be mm if u want to be an ss build u should change ur skills around ss + mm is not a good idea imo

Texas · Apr 21, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Theres also soul feast and taste of death.

Usually casting blood of the master and verettas, and having heal area (mo secondary)after those two helps... heal yourself..

I never have problems healing myself.

Garka Dark · Apr 21, 2006, 04:37 PM // 16:37

First off, to be an effective MM, you have to be 18+ to ensure you have the sufficient attributes to maintain 16 Death magic. Next, I would suggest going N/E - which I find most effective - and set out your skills a bit like this:

Glyph Of Renewal - Use this with 'Veretas Sacrifice' to maintain a good regen.
Glyph Of Lesser Energy - Self explanitory.
Animate Fiend - Almost always use this as your bulk army.
Animate Horror - Only ever use this when your Fiend gets interupted.
Veretas Sacrifice - Try and keep this on the whole time.
Blood Of The Master - General heal.
BR/Death Nova - Depending where I am, I use either of these.
Res - D'uh

You may think: 'Well that has no attack skills OR healing, im dead, well if your in an effective party the others should be healing and doing the damage, and you should be sitting back getting regen or healing Fiends.

So that's my general MM build for SF, Tombs etc, but if your soloing for instance Ettins, you need to sub out the res sig + Death Nova/BR and put in Vile Touch + Deathly Swarm.

Sub in a out a few skills and you should find it a lot easier.

PS. If you don't want to be N/E, or if you haven't ascended or completed The Elementist's Path, try to keep your attribs in 3 or 4 max [Death, Blood, Soul Reaping] never have 5 Blood, 5 Illusion, 5 Soul, Reaping and 12 Death, otherwise you're going to start drifting off from MM'ing and back to damage dealing.

Sankon · Apr 21, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Ok I see, I'll toss Heal Area into the mix and work on lvling. I would party, but you know, I'm tired of trying to play with idiots. Might be a bit harsh, but those are the kinda people I always end up in a party with, ahh the memories I have with my monk.

So I tend to try and solo most quests or just take henches, if trying to use a MM build at low a lvl becomes too hard I will switch over to a Blood or Curses build probably.

If anyone wants to help out with a Blood or Curses build I would appreciate it. Seems like I'm gonna have to end up using something like that till I hit the mid to high teens. Never know, I may end up liking Blood and Curses better..

Anyway, thanks for the info so far it has been quite helpful!

unclepunchy · Apr 21, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

this is the MM build i use most of the time...

animate bone fiend
animate bone horror
blood of master
verata's sacrifice
deathly swarm
rotting flesh
Offering of blood (E)
heal area

blood: 9
death: 16
soul: 11
healing: 8

(not totally positive on numbers..:P)

i switch between morgrifs scepter/shadestone and the collector's death staff (20%/20%)[i think hes outside of Elonas Reach, 5 mino horns?]

what i did when i was trying out this build for the 1st time, i ran around outside of the courthouse or nolaini academy till i got confortable with the build and maintaining the minions...and try to make it to Flame Temple...and take those guys out....(bring lots of salvage kits :P)

also, try and sub out blood of master for a while untill you get used to watching your health drop alot from the sacrificing....

tips: stay way back after a massive sacrifice session

.....and i usually do this order of skill BoTM+VS+heal area, while doin the MM jig

good luck....

unclepunchy

Markaedw · Apr 21, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

My MM build is feinds, horors vert sac, wich you can either cap from Verta at kessek peak when you have done Villany, but it is rather hard, best to farm 2k faction and cash in factions then rebuy it, then heal area, 1 for rez. Now you have 3 to work with, you probably want to have at least 1 attack, I use vamp gaze.

2 more to go, these are anything you want, you can use animate minions, if you haven't got it you can cap from the reversing the scales, its a good skill for building an army fast. I am in SF and they like to hit with status disorders so I use a plague sending. The last slot I use for a bit more health or energy, Order of Blood {E}.

Your curse build depends entirely on your secondary, sounds like you have monk. Most curse builds ues a mes secondary , for archane echo. Curses are easy and fun, it is hard to make a bad curse build, although some may be better than others. I find mark of pain to be good sub for spitefull spirit.

You may want to bring some wells. If you have a MM either drop the corpse skills or work with the MM, there is few things worse that competing necros.

just make sure you have a lot of points in you primary build and in soul reaping.

Weapons:

MM are judged on our minion's lvl, you want to get a +1 death, now the best is Bartock's cesta, which is around 80k (ouch), good thing there is a more affordable option. Go to Riverside and either step outside and kill the mossy mandibles untill you get 5 or buy five. Then go to Maguuma Stade, and talk to the collector behind the merchant.

Now all you need is a max damage wand, I use the desert collector, which wants 5 desert griffion wings and is a challenge to get to, or Morgriff's scepter which is around 1 or 2 k.

Sankon · Apr 22, 2006, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Good info thanks. Well I tried using Heal Area and that greatly helped, but it seems like what I have been hearing is correct. I really need to be around lvl 17-18 to work a MinionMaster. I went ahead and got those Death collector items with my Monk last night, so I would have them.

I guess... I guess I will work on a Blood or Curses build. I don't really want to spam and make a new thread, so I will just hijack my own thread! If someone could help me out with something that can solo (I like to “grind” and level up a lot dunno why I guess WoW did that to me and I explore a lot) and yes I know I can get to 20 by just playing the game, but what fun is that?!

I have been poking around the forums here and I like this build:

I found it here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...3&postcount=95

Life Siphon
Dark Pact
Shadow Strike
Vampire Gaze
Awaken the Blood
Putrid Explosion
Demonic Flesh
Well of Blood -Later I'll make it Life Transfer, Life Transfer just isn't very accessible for a new character.

Not sure if this will work well at the start of the game or not, but I suppose I will find out! I'm going to start hunting down some collector Blood Items and work on unlocking these skills today I suppose.

If someone wants to offer their input I will be most thankful!

suiraCLAW · Apr 22, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

because we are in a MM thread: here's a solo build with death magic

-animate bone fiend (use fiends more in places with much ranged opponents)
-animate bone horror (use horros more if you need a meat wall)
-verata sac
-LT / siphon/dark bond
-blood renewal
-death swarm
-taste death
-siphon/gaze

death:16, sr:10 blood:10

you can solo all ascalon, north shiverpeak and maguuma missions with this one ^^

about a curse/blood build, try using things like sof and enfeeble blood to actually tank melee monsters.

Reve2uk · Apr 22, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

This is my MM build i use it for every thing, SF, Tombs, missions and anything else i do :P

Death Swarm - 1 and only attack skill, Good cos it attacks more then one
enemy and with MAx death it dose High Dmg.

Animate bone fiend - For when you have more then enough nrg and need rangered minons.

Animate bone horro - For When u need minons fast and are low on nrg.

Verata Sac - Spam this to heal u Minons.

Blood of the Master - spam this when need to heal.

Dark Bond - MOST IMPORTANT this skill with mine you take only 25% of dmg delt to you so make sure it is up when u have a big or small armor, not only to keep u alive, but if u die you mions will go rouge on your team. This also allows u to use BoTm near u minons who are next to the enmie with only worring about major dmg.. >> this is a most skill for any MM <<

Offereing of Blood - NRg mangemnt use when ever u need a bit of nrg, it has an alright recharge so use offten f needed.

Res Signet - to res ppl

also i find the collotecs bone staff is relay good with 20% chance on cast/recharge on death... sometimes means i can cast straight afterwards

BlueNovember · Apr 23, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markaedw

My MM build is feinds, horors vert sac, wich you can either cap from Verta at kessek peak when you have done Villany, but it is rather hard, best to farm 2k faction and cash in factions then rebuy it,

What, is buying the skill from copperhammer mines too good for you? =)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markaedw

MM are judged on our minion's lvl, you want to get a +1 death, now the best is Bartock's cesta, which is around 80k (ouch),

The collector's bone staff with +5e head and +1 deathwrap (20%) is the best, as there's no conditional energy. (Plus it only takes up one inventory space when you swap out.)